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New alpha rules | author: Andraz | 04.09.2007 18:35
It is a proven fact that people are not please with the current alpha rules.
You know what would be great? If you can suggest us how the alpha user status should be given. Based on what rules. Basically, if you can, an algorithm.
Stripgenerator is for the users. So if you are not happy (well, we cannot all be happy at any given time, of course), we are not happy! Help us!
— que comptez vous mettre dans [statistics] ?
(One question at first:
- That plan to put yourselves in [statistics] ?
JacobDS, that is of course needed, but the current system does not produce the most fair results.
We are thinking this way: at the moment we are measuring strip blog visits instead of strip views per blog. So if you are bribed and if people don't visit your blog, you dont get the needed visits.
what do you say?
The total number of visits is a little dull...
We thought of having alpha status given based on the No. of bribed you achieved during the last month. But again, people will rate each other just to get bribed (groups of friends) and will kill the system. The truth is, no system can be perfect.
— MadameCercle trouve le système des Alpha users très TRES BIEN !
Pourquoi ?
Parce qu'il permet de mettre en valeur de Grands Avtors ...
Comme, par exemple, au hasard : MadameCercle.
(A declaration of MadameCercle:
- MadameCercle finds the system of the Alpha users very VERY WELL!
Why?
Because he allows to emphasize Big Authors ...
As, for example, at random : MadameCercle.)
And since there is no way for us to look at any other stripper's visit totals, the alpha results seem to come out of the blue.
Maybe there should be an ongoing "top visits this month" tracker.
If you are using alpha to encourage people to post their own and their favorite strips on other sites, why not make that the big selling point: "Go and post your favorite strips out there on the web--build up your visits to earn Alpha status!"
This is, of course, a good method for increasing overall traffic to Stripgenerator, isn't it?
I also agree about "rating gangs" that conspire to boost each other's status. I don't want to see that.
i think that alpha rulez are good...at least we can count the numbers of bribed with the numbers of visits...isn't a perfect mechanism, but it works...
I think you folks at Stripgenerator are allowed to decide that, Andraz.
Certainly, you want to drive traffic here, as well as promote this as a tool people can use to add comics to their existing blogs and web sites. After all, if someone hadn't started posting Stripgenerator comic strips over at the JREF forums, I would never have heard of this place!
Is Alpha status the best tool to accomplish that? I don't know.
Maybe a hybrid system where you award alpha to the top 3 among total monthly visits, as well as the top 3 among number of bribeds in a month.
-Bribed strips
-Number of visits
-Number of posted strips
-Number of ratings
-Number of posted comments
-Number of comments on the blog
-Number of favourites
If you want exemples about the rank system, check these sites:
Prizee.com
Newgrounds.com
And any themed forum on the web.
Power users or ranks, yeah, sure, actually alpha status is a step towards that.
Of course, I am thinking about that all the time, believe me. If only we had more developers :)
• (I break myself the head with these interesting problems. See ... )
— La new série [Blue&Brided in Generator Valley] dans L'uBu speak about that.
Premier strip :
http://ubu.stripgenerator.com/2007/09/08/bb-in-generator-valley.html
And lire (read) Comment [13]
— Voir des notes, qui me servent de brouillon, dans [L'Atelier de MadameCercle] :
• (See notes, which serve me as draft, in [L'Atelier de MadameCercle]:
http://madamecercle.over-blog.fr/1-index.html
catch 22
I know the developers/creators of Stripgenerator are very busy, but maybe they could decide on who should be the Alpha Users for the month based on Spigaw's list.
- I never quite understood how Bribed works (even after reading the short "what is bribed" text). Ok it's about rates in a timespan but it's a bit like magic to me...
(http://annsofun.stripgenerator.com/2007/09/19/behind-the-bribed.html)
Having Alpha based on this would be very disturbing to me.
Plus I don't really understand the idea of different rank = different colours. Do you mean new colour tools like the famous Alpha Blue?
bribed works like this:
-takes a look at the all the strips published in the last 24 hours (from 0:00 to 0:00)
- looks at the sum of rates
- looks at the how close the rates are (time-wise, so the quicker the strips were rated, the better). Reason for that is, strips are usually only seen when they are still on the front page.
- then the one with highest rates gets bribed. If there are a few with the same number of rates, we take in cosideration the rate speed. Faster the strip got the rates, the better. But that is only looked when 2 strips have the same number of rates.
alpha:
- at the end of the month, we take a look at the number of visitors per stripblog for all stripgenerator users.
- then we filter them out based on if they have been publishing anything for the last month. Because some stripblogs get a lot of visitors even though they dont have anything new in them!
- then the top 5 are selected as alpha users.
- and a alpha users should (hehehe) not be one person 2 times in a row.
Stupid example:
When Mr. X hits 5000 visits, he automatically gets new colors and when he hits 10000 visits he gets a bunch of new characters etc.
There's currently 7277 registered users in Strip Generator and the number is growing fast, replacing alpha user system with some kind of top 50 strips (based on all three visits, + and - ratings and comments) would be more realistic and frankly, quite fair, compared to top 5 users (which is the ultimate cream of strip generator)
Or you could just keep alpha users and add "ladders" based on ratings (+ and -), visits and comments
There's no need to remove anything, you can just add more features
PARDON MY ENGLISH
S-
Ah, I agree with Spunkn, I've read his post.
I don't know, I guess there may be a a better alpha system... but I think that it is going to be hard to decide
check the Bribed archive for the most rated strips each day.
Then you will see who the popular artists are.
),:
That's what Andraz told meh
Due to a long conversation and great ideas from strip bloggers, we have changed the logic behind alpha user to this one:
We are not following stip blog views anymore, since we believe that its a bit more fair to follow the number of how many people viewed your strips (clicked on them).
So the new rule is: the SUM of all your strip views in the last month.
We are still working on a simple statistics, so you will have the option to follow your success. Stay tuned!
« User can be an alpha user only 2 times in a row. »
— Ça veut dire quoi ? (That means what?)
Here's the hint:
*Give money to that that becomes an A. user... that'll be grat!
*...that... and some baloons...
Excuse my french !
I'm making some of the best strips and I gave up making them after I wasn't awarded with the alpha status last year, because people just clicked on my bribed strips and didn't visit my strip blog! Damn strip blog views.
Maybe there's a way to.. mind-control people and make them view my strips.
Yeah! That's it!
I mean, most of the time the alpha users make nice strips in form of DESIGN. I'm thinking of another bribe, not for only design but for HUMOUR too. Would be cool I think.
And what about GTLB, that received 4 or 5 bribeds this month and dont got @lpha?
And what about Dorota, dewfilms, qenene, Prince_s, Casostrano, Platowe, and other ones that made INCREDIBLE strips and dont got @lpha?
I gonna repeat:
WE NEED TO CHANGE THE RULES! THE MOST VISITS DONT WORK! MUCH PEOPLE DO INCREDIBLE WORKS, GET BRIBEDS, GET COMMENTS, RATES AND OTHER THINGS AND A GUY THAT MAKE 7 OR MORE SAMPLE STRIPS WINS @LPHA? OH, NO! THAT CANT HAPPEN ANYMORE! IT CANT!
>:|
we have to think of something better.
Suggestions?
That way people who get bribed will have more chance to get an @lpha.
- number of visit: raspotin says why its wrong.
- number of bribed: maybe good but it dont let the new users make an @lpha.
I really dont know how they should be choosed
i have a question...
i had 10,000 visits on 3.8
see here ↓
http://ran2ran.stripgenerator.com/2008/03/08/10000.html
and now i have 16,296, including today: 293 and yesterday: 280
so, i received 16,296-293-280-10,000=5723 visits during 3.8-3.31
then why...?
is it because that "stop of visits" reseted the counting of visits?
no no, i am not asking for @lphal, i'm just wondering do i misunderstand the rules? or i misunderstand the way of visits-counting??
Maybe @lpha users dont get something special? But they will got New stuff first! one week before normal users... oh wait. its stupid idea -.-
From March 1st, my count was 46,183
On March 31st, my count was 62,957
So, my total blog count for the month should be 16,774 for the month.
I just wanted to know from the head SG people if my count is or is not accurate.
What is happening here?
Maybe is just a little bug, maybe is a big bug.
If Asha just got 12.000 visits making calculations, dewfilms should be first @lpha.
But i have a question in my confuse mind... How MadameCercle, OliverStrip and Spigaw can be @lpha 7 or more times in a row if it was supposed to be just 2 the max?
ASHA was 6 times in a row too...
I really cant understand how this is happening...
So i gonna ask some things to the stripgenerator creators:
-Please make a new system to get @lpha
-Fix the bug of sometimes we receive hundreds of visits without any reason
-Fix the bug of be @lpha more than 2 times in a row
-Let more people be @lpha, i mean, like put 10 slots of @lpha users
Oh, and... To some people here on Stripgenerator:
ITS NOT THE NUMBER OF STRIPS THAT COUNT, BUT THE QUALITY!
-Have the community vote on who should be alpha?
-Have the owners/creators of this site decide who should be alpha?
-Whoever has the most blog visits?
-Whoever has the most bribed?
-Whoever has the most + ?
-Have the previous alpha user(s) decide who should be next to get alpha?
-A small contest at the end of each month to decide on who receives alpha status?
(i don't like complexity...)
why not no @lpha or "all @lpha"?
blue for everyone
(ok, i know it's not just about blue...)
TOP 10
Ten most often visited strip blogs.
ALPHA USERS
User which have received three bribed in month or more.
http://kreska.stripgenerator.com/2008/04/02/some-ideassuggestions.html
• Voici les chiffres au compteur [visits today] de [L'ULTIME BUANDERIE] au début du jour :
(Here is amount to the meter [visits today] of [L'ULTIME BUANDERIE] at the beginning of day:)
01.03.08 ——> 207977
01.04.08 ——> 227991
donc mois de mars = 20014
• Je crois que depuis 2 mois ( ... Andraz ?) les chiffres du compteur [visits today] sont modifiés par un paramètre pour donner les alpha ( ... Andraz ??).
(I believe that for 2 months (... Andraz?) the numbers of the meter [visits today] are modified by a parameter to give alpha (... Andraz??).
MadameCercle, qui en a marre des alpha
• Ce mois-ci, je ne pense pas avoir eu de "visites anormales" ... Si Vos Visites (merci, merci) peuvent-être considérée comme NORMALES, bien sûr.
(This month, I do not think of having had of " abnormal visits "... If Your Visits (thank you, thank you) can be considered as NORMAL, naturally.)
• Mais le système de comptage du [visits today] semble avoir été changé au milieu du mois (... hein, Andraz???)
But the system of counting of [visits today] seems to have been changed in the middle of the month (eh, Andraz???)
Voir (See) :
http://ubu.stripgenerator.com/2008/03/12/stripgeneratorinfos.html
http://stripgenerator.com/forum/problems-and-annoyances/visits-today/383/
Ne me dites pas que vous ne l'avez pas vu !
(Do not say to me that you did not see him(it)!)
MadameCercle, qui va piquer sa crise
I was only trying to make suggestions to help the situation.
I understand why there is the blue/alpha. It is to give people here something to look forward to. A goal or a bonus like in a game. But if everyone here gets blue, then what? Green? And then if we get green, then what? If things progress too fast, people might get bored. Lose interest and ideas. The tool that is StripGenerator has many possibilities. With the limits that it has comes boundless creativity. We have seen it.
Like I have said before, it would be nice to have blue, I admit it.
It would even be nice for everyone to get blue someday. But for now, maybe it is better that things stay simple and not progress too fast.
but how to measure quality? Yes, I agree, number of strip views is closer to quality measuring then number of blog visits. But it still leaves many questions unanswered and many problems open.
Still trying to think of the best way... please, continue with brainstorming.
re counting problems: yes we had some problems for a few days, and because of them, some people might get mad. But the problems were there for everyone, not just individuals.
re gifts: we stopped sending out gifts a while ago. Reason: financial.
so the only gift is the @ and blue colour.
@alpha user is the user with the most + (pluses) in a month.
maybe..
— avoir un bon compteur de visite
- qui ne compte pas nos propres visites
- qui ne s'emballe pas ... (fiable, quoi)
— que votre calendrier fonctionne enfin ...
(ce serait fabuleux de pouvoir comparer, sur un mois, le travail d'un avtor avec celui d'un autre)
— le système des brided comme il est
(même si, d'après moi, il oriente la créativité vers un certain stripgenerator- manièrisme)
— le système alpha, pourquoi pas ...
- s'il est basé sur des comptes fiables (et transparents)
- et sans trop le lier aux brided
MAIS ...
- on ne pourrait être alpha QUE DEUX (2) FOIS DANS L'ANNÉE
(cela suffirait à la gloire puisqu'il y a un historique des alpha et cela permettrait enfin une plus grande rotation des avtors -- je suis pour les rotations)
(MadameCercle)
•••DANS LE TRADUCTOR :
For my part, at present, and in the simplest I would like(love)...
— Have a good meter of visit
- Which(who) does not count our own visits
- which(who) is not carried away (reliable, what)
— That your calendar works finally...
( It would be fabulous to be able to compare, over a month, the work of an avtor with that of the other one)
— The system of brided as it is (even if, according to me, it directs the creativity to certain stripgenerator-manièrisme)
— The system alpha, why not...
- If it is based on reliable accounts (and transparent)
- and without excess bind(connect) him(it) to brided
BUT...
- We could be alpha ONLY TWO ( 2 ) TIMES IN THE YEAR
(it would be enough for the glory because there is a history of the alpha and it would allow finally a bigger rotation of avtors - I am for the rotations) (Rotat'Girl)
I have been away for more than the half of the entire month, and I had the surprise to be @lpha again, fact that I absolutely do not agree with; strippers as Prince_s, Raspotin, Platowe deserve it, and I really do not understand why me, who was one of the first @lpha months ago, can be @lpha again in April.
So, I agree with all of you, in the way that we absolutely need a new @lpha system, that could be based maybe on a number of different considerations, each one with its own consequence:
-overall visits(x2)
-number of strips visits (x1)
-number of bribed strips (x0.5)
-number of comments (x0.5)
-number of strips (x0.5)
Tell me what you think about that.
Spigaw Ideas/Suggestions:
-overall visits(x2)
-number of strips visits (x1)
-number of bribed strips (x0.5)
-number of comments (x0.5)
-number of strips (x0.5)
MadameCercle Ideas/Suggestions:
- We could be alpha ONLY TWO ( 2 ) TIMES IN THE YEAR
(it would be enough for the glory because there is a history of the alpha and it would allow finally a bigger rotation of avtors - I am for the rotations)
dewfilms Ideas/Suggestions:
-Have the community vote on who should be alpha?
-Have the owners/creators of this site decide who should be alpha?
-Have the previous alpha user(s) decide who should be next to get alpha?
Augustop Ideas/Suggestions:
Like some users said here before, you should make alpha the people who get more Strip's visits, not blog visits.
That way people who get bribed will have more chance to get an @lpha.
If we could just put all that in just one thng, the @lpha system would get perfect! I mean, it would be just and more people could be @lpha!
I mean, a lot of people make a strip telling to the people visit the forum (You or Zigmund could post a explanation the plans to the new @lpha system)!!
Users, can we agree to change the alpha user rules to strip views first? And then go forward.
Lets do it! :D
why are there no comments on that?
in my oppinion by far the best idea..
users vote for the alpha that way..
But, also the strip views should make get @lpha easier, because you have much more visits when your bribed than rates, also if you just click to give a look on a strip in the option strip blog you would get a visit, i mean... With Andraz' idea would be easier to get @lpha, but also with your idea we should have a real "election"...
Im really undecised now... :S
It's good idea, but I have the question:
what about minuses?
Will they be counted?
On SG there are people which are giving minuses without the reason
or by mistake ("+" and "-" are close oneself)
one minus erases one plus, thats it..
But if it was, you would still receive @lpha, Deacon!
You got 4 bribeds, Dorota got 2 and Visiteur got 10.
You should get Dorota's place, so!
Then they tell everyone, that "these guys are better than the rest of you, but you COULD be alpha your selves, we just won't tell you how!".
And then they lean back, and watch the ant hill go crazy!!!!! :-D
For example: say one user makes only one strip in one day and that strip becomes very popular... That users only strip gets bribed... Compare that user to the next one that makes ten nice strips, but gets maybe only four comments and ratings/strip... Who is the more popular stripper?
I think total amount of visits, comments, ratings and so on should deside who becomes an alpha user... That gives a very much larger picture... especially the number of comments and ratings!
Varg out...
Huh... Ok, well... That's a good idea, but I think it would be too much complicated to count the rates and comments, I mean... Like putting millions of comments... But the rates and visits are ok, I like them!